Evidence of Deception on Salvation

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Introduction and solutions


This report contains many positive solutions to the below problems. If they are implemented we could develop a close relationship with God, help many people and be far better off.


I would like to see and believe that many are saved. The concern is that the evidence at the moment indicates otherwise. Also many scriptures suggest this. So I feel it is important that we warn people about this evidence and about scriptures that many do not see in the correct light. If we don’t, it is like knowing that a storm may be going to destroy people, yet we do not warn them. It must be stated that it is only a possibility that nobody that we know is born again yet. However, the possibility should not be ignored, considering the weight of evidence indicating the possibility. I am concerned that many people are complacent about this issue. We still expect the weather bureau to warn us if a cyclone could devastate our area, even though there is still a chance that it will not.


Even if we are not born again yet, there is still hope that we will be. Sharing this information would increase the chances of this. If we find a close relationship with God, life would be so much better, and we would be able to achieve so much more than we do now because God would help us. Below are some solutions on how we could get to know God and form a group.  However, we need to also make people aware of the problems and realities of life in order to work through to the solutions.




The Devil will obviously want to deceive people that they are saved and led by God, when in fact they are not. The Devil can then make people complacent and not seek to find God, because people will not be looking for something if they are deceived that they already have it.  Therefore, I am concerned about people who claim to be led by God and say that they are right with God or born again when there is a lot of evidence that they are not.


As almost everyone is deceived, and the Bible indicates that only few today have the truth, it is likely that there are still some important things that you do not believe in or have not found out about. As a result you may be considered by God to be disobeying Him and not to have matched His requirement to be saved. Also, there would still be times where you would sin, make mistakes and yield to the temptation of the Devil. It is up to God to judge whether you have dealt with this. I know that in my life and the lives of others, we fall short of what is required.


The Bible says that today's church will be lukewarm and apostate and that God will reject it. (Rev 3:14-17). This would probably refer to all the mainstream churches. There still may be some that God is pleased with.


I know that we need faith. However, the concern is that so many have blind faith and believe in error and are not willing to use Godly wisdom to see that they are wrong. Before people develop faith in a belief, it is important that they make sure that they are on the right path for a start. So reality and statistics should not be ignored, especially when God uses mathematics and measurement in His creation, and advises Godly wisdom. If only those that are deceived used Godly wisdom as explained here, they would realize that they are not saved and then believe in the truth.



Below are the major reasons that indicate that nobody that we know may be born again or right with God at the moment.


Prayer and obedience should make a difference


God promises to answer the prayers and help the righteous. "James 5:16 Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Matthew 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.


 There should be a dramatic, noticeable and measurable difference between the righteous and the unrighteous. In Deut 28 and other places, the Bible indicates that there should be an obvious statistical difference, where blessings are promised to the righteous while curses are promised to the unrighteous or unsaved.  The righteous should receive a greater percentage of desirable outcomes than the unrighteous. They should have a lower percentage of undesirable outcomes, disappointments and frustrating problems. I know that the Bible still promises the righteous trials and suffering. However, a purpose should be obvious and there should still be many times of joy and of things working out well. If the righteous have something go wrong, there should be an obvious purpose. For example the sufferings of Job ended on a positive note.


As far as I know, those claiming to be saved and helped by God are not receiving more desirable outcomes or fewer frustrating problems and disappointments than the unbelievers. This evidence suggests that nobody that we know is experiencing the promised blessings, because if they were, it would be obviously noticeable and measurable.


The results of the prayers of the righteous were noticeable to others. In the New Testament the term “And they were all amazed” is consistently used to describe how the public reacted to the results of the prayers by Jesus and the apostles. The term "they" was referring to the people who had not accepted Christ who were watching. I have not seen anyone led by God today that prays so that God supernaturally answers their prayers so that unbelievers watching are consistently amazed as in the Bible. I am not saying that believers should go and pray for people in public in front of skeptics for a show. However, the "person of God" who claims that their prayers do make a difference should be able to come and visit people who are seeking the truth and need prayer. I am not saying that every prayer made by the "person of God" would result in amazement by those watching or be answered in the way that is expected. However, if the "person of God" is really right with God, amazing results should still happen on some occasions so that those being prayed for realize that it is obvious that the prayers do make a difference


Claims of Answered Prayer


Many people have written to me with an example of an answered prayer or miracle in their lives. However, these appear to be rare cases and are not consistent in their lives. What about the majority of times when prayers appear unanswered and the events in their lives appear to resemble curses. Unlikely desirable outcomes also happen to the unbelievers.  Desirable outcomes therefore are not necessarily evidence of answered prayer. This is because ungodly people who do not pray also have a similar percentage of desirable outcomes.  A measurably greater percentage of desirable outcomes than the unrighteous people is needed for evidence to be considered. 


Problems and Reality 


What is happening in the lives of everyone that we know resemble curses, as there are relentless frustrating problems without a positive purpose. These can often be explained naturally or by the laws of probability. For example, unfortunate inconveniences, problems and accidents occur at a bad time and there is no obvious purpose afterwards. There are relentless disappointments. Mostly tasks are harder and more complicated than we hope, and take longer than we hope. Therefore often it is a waste of time, as the projects are not ready in time for their purpose. We learn, but forget the things that we learn. Items relentlessly get lost or break down. Much of the time we are traumatized by having to look for lost items or by trying to fruitlessly search for what or who we need. Sometimes thousands of places, people, products or ideas have to be tried to find out what is correct or best.  We have to contact scores of people to get advice. Often that advice contradicts that of others and does not solve our problem.  We are in two minds about what decisions to make. Then those decisions turn out to be wrong. These problems make many things a waste of time, and there is no positive outcome. Murphy’s law prevails.


Many of us have great ideas that could benefit a great number of people and even help lead people to God. We spend an enormous amount of time trying to get them going. However, for them to succeed it requires finding the correct people to help. Statistics indicates that it is almost impossible to find someone who can assist to the extent so that the idea will successfully help a large number people. For example I have seen references that state that only one out of every one thousand inventors manage to make a living from their invention. Thousands of brilliant inventions that could have benefited many have been suppressed in this way. Another example is that many people have tried to develop volunteer groups to assist people. However, they could not get the support. This is despite the fact that the ideas are good and that there are probably many people who could greatly assist. The problem is finding these people. It is expensive and time consuming to contact or advertise to a large number of people in order to find those that can help. Often those who appear genuine and willing to help are not honest and would cause you to be worse off as a result. Unfortunate circumstances beyond our control can also stop or hinder us. As a result of these things, a majority of people with projects as described above do not get their projects going.  Therefore their lives could be wasted and they could fail to help people. Many people are seeking God. However, it appears as if God is not helping them.


Doors appear to open in our lives and we have great ideas. Things appear to work together well as though it is a positive purpose from God and we pursue the idea. Many people at this point claim it is obvious leading from God. However, the decision often turns out to be bad and even sometimes disastrous. Doors also close. Mostly things end in disappointment This trauma appears to occur for everyone that we know and it therefore indicates that nobody that we know is truly led by God. Due to the trauma it is so psychologically difficult to love God and not be angry with Him. Especially when we imagine the comparison between what we hope for and what happens. We search and hope for the evidence of Gods help and love but cannot find it.


This is evidence that God is not working in our lives and that we are under the curse explained in Duet 28. It is also evidence that God does not know us. The Bible says that God will not know many people in the coming day (Luke 13:27) even though they claim to have a close relationship with Him. 


Conditional promises on obedience


The Bible promises that all things work together for good for those that Love God. Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose. This verse is strong evidence that nobody that we know is right with God or loving Him to the degree that He wants. This scripture does not say all things work together for good for all the people who believe in God and the Bible. It is conditional on obedience and love to God. So why is everyone we know receiving the curses that are not working for good? This appears to be that they do not love God to the amount that He requires. A lot of people think that they love Him and imagine that they have a relationship. However, it is probably not so in God’s sight. As I stated in the full report, there are many ways in which we are supposed to obey God, yet we fail. Most disobey God. Some willfully disobey while others want to obey but the devil overpowers them and they are too weak to resist temptation. Others are not sure which of the controversial beliefs they should believe in and are not sure what God wants them to do. They seek direction and plan to do what they think God could want them to do. However, their decisions turn out to be wrong, therefore they feel that God is not leading them.


Differing opinions on the truth 


Different people seem to over focus on certain doctrines and say that these are vital for salvation. Generally people focus mainly on one or two of the below and do not practice or preach the others. Some believe that the Trinity is a satanic doctrine and that you cannot be saved if you believe it. Others believe that you must be baptized in the name of Jesus to be saved, and not in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Others believe that you must keep the Sabbath to obey God. Others say that you must use the correct original names of God to obey God and gain salvation. They say that we must use names like Yahweh or haMashiach and that the terms God or Lord should not be used even though they have been translated to that. Others say that we need to speak in tongues as evidence for salvation while others say that the tongues they use are Satanic. Many believe that other books should have been included in the Bible, and give evidence of how they were omitted. Another teaching is that some people are predestined to be damned no matter how hard they try to seek God. This would explain why sincere people seek God with all their ability and do not appear to find him but are instead subtly deceived. It also explains why they are not receiving God's promises and why God is not providing for their needs. Some say that the above teachings are wrong and that a saved person would not teach them. Perhaps there are other teachings that we do not know about that are vital to believe.


I challenge the people who focus on the above to produce the evidence that God is supernaturally leading them and that their prayers make a noticeable difference as explained. I would expect that those close to God should have his extraordinary powers manifesting in them. Some of the topics above may well indeed be vital for salvation. However, how do we know for sure, when they are debated so hotly by those that claim to be led by God.


Evidence of God's leading


People who claim to be definitely led by God are led into error and disagreement when they claim that the leading is from God. Therefore, they cannot be led by God because God would lead people to the one truth that would not contradict itself. God also does not make mistakes. Someone led by God should therefore be 100% correct on the occasions when they claim that the leading is from God. Otherwise, it is not God that is leading them. However, everyone makes mistakes, but a mistake is not too serious if the person making the mistake did not initially claim that the leading which resulted in the error was from God. They could still be a true saint if this is the case. However, mistakes are evidence that someone is not walking close to God at the time of their making. If someone claims that a decision or belief was God’s leading and it turns out to be wrong, then they are not led by God and do not appear to know His voice. Therefore, it is unlikely that such a person would be born again or have a true relationship with God.


Obedience to God


Salvation is conditional on obedience to God as indicated by many scriptures. For example

"Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."


Several scriptures indicate what we should be doing to obey God. Many people will be certain that they have given their lives to Jesus and doing are his works. However, they will be rejected as described in the scriptures above. Imagination and deception is a powerful thing and it is easy for people to imagine they have a relationship with God when in fact the relationship is not real.


Matthew 7:15-23 says fruits are a sign of salvation. These include joy and peace. I have not seen this in those that I know in a difficult or demanding situation. Also this passage says a good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit. The problem is that we all struggle to obey God and to produce good fruit and there is no significant difference between the Christians that we know and the unbelievers who are good people and do good deeds.


Perhaps no one will be saved if they disobey God in the ways mentioned here or at truechristianity.com/christian/salvationbfull.htm .

This could mean that nobody will be saved who is in an evil organization, for example in a Trade Union or working for the corrupt government (bar rare exceptions) or working for a mainstream bank or large company that promotes or does any ungodly practices. Perhaps nobody will make it to Heaven if they are in any industry that has to promote ungodly or unnecessary things that can't be used for God's will. Christians need to work for God and not Satan because Satan controls the world's corrupt system. There is strong evidence at trueconspiracies.com that indicates that powerful world leaders and corporations are conspiring to form a satanic one world government. They have infiltrated the mainstream media, education system, workforce and many other areas. Therefore most things that are mainstream and popular in the world would be considered by God to be evil.


Perhaps nobody will make it to Heaven if they don't fully use their time or money for God's will. People in the mainstream churches are wearing unnecessary and expensive jewellery, showy fashions and are supporting evil things. "James 4:4 - . . . friendship of the world is enmity with God? I John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. Luke 16:13-14 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. . . ."

People serve money and charge it to everyone and buy unnecessary things like ornaments or luxury items.  Money has to come from somewhere or someone to the disadvantages of someone else if it is not used for God’s will. Money has to be used wisely and people do not deserve more than their fair share because there are many honest, hard working people that receive little earnings. Many people charge everyone including poor Christian people for essential goods like Bibles. As a result the poor people cannot afford what they need and the goods or information is not made good use of. It becomes suppressed as a result. Almost all so called Christians believe a major purpose of life is to seek and compete for paid work to get money for themselves. The apostles did the opposite and gave money away. They volunteered and shared and supported one another. However, it is probably fine to accept a paid job if it is offered to you in a good industry working with other Christians. The problem today is that people are competing for suitable paid work which is hard to find. They are often not getting what they want and wasting a lot of time and money looking. It is like gambling. As a result they are working in areas that they are not gifted at and working in evil places and yoking with evil people. Also they are taking paid jobs away from other needy people. There is a solution for a better system explained on the site where people could work together in areas that they are gifted at so that they can provide better services for the community than the mainstream system provides. We could work together as a group to help others. This would give us more time to mix with and minister to unbelievers. However, we would not be yoked with unbelievers by working or living with them.


Noah’s Time


Many scriptures indicate that very few people will be born again in this age. The Bible says it will be like the times of Noah where only 8 people were saved in the whole world.

"Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed."

It is possible that the percentage of people that are born again today could be similar to the times of Noah, and if so, it would be likely that we have not met or even heard of any of them yet.


Visions and Prophecies


Some people claim to have visions of angels, the Virgin Mary or even Jesus.  Some of the visions may be genuinely from God. However, the concern is that Satan can also deceive people and give them visions which appear to be from God, when in fact that they are not.  Also, some people have a strong imagination. Many people claim to hear voices that appear very real to them even though those voices are not really there.  This is a common mental problem with some people. The reasons described above could be the case in most if not all the cases that we hear of today.  Many claim to have visions and prophecies from God. However, those claims or prophecies turn out to be wrong, so that is evidence and is obvious that those people are not led by God.


Evangelists and False Doctrines


There are many reports indicating that most, if not all mainstream evangelists condone evil or are false prophets and are probably not truly led by God or saved. There are many thoroughly researched sites linked to truechristianity.com/references.htm with exact quotes from the evangelists. The evangelists teach a lot of truth. However, Satan also mixes truth with error.


Many teach false or doubtful doctrines when careful Bible research indicates that they are false. You need to consider translation errors, historic comparisons and Bible aids in some subjects. For eg; careful research indicates that hell has 3 meanings. One indicates eternal death and annihilation after a limited period of torment that differs for each soul. Please see extensive scripture references in a detailed study on this at http://www.truechristianity.com/christian/helldoctrines.htm Doubtful subjects should not be taught as certain.


Humility and Evidence


What I think people need to do is become humble and not claim to be born again, when this evidence indicates otherwise. God does not like a pretentious attitude. Claiming that you are born again and righteous could be considered to be pride in God’s sight. We would be better off considering this evidence and not claim that we are born again yet. Instead we should humble ourselves and perhaps even consider ourselves still to be lost and searching for God.


I know there are many lovely people out there doing good things and they appear to be obeying God. However, we do not see what goes on in the full lives of people, or how they will respond to those that they closely know. It is likely that they are subtly deceived in some way, and are hence disobeying God


Do you know anyone who is obviously born again and right with God so that there is evidence that God is truly leading them in a genuine relationship? If so, please give me their names and contact details.


Scriptures Indicating that many are Saved


People suggest that scriptures indicate that many people are easily saved. However, they need to be studied closely. For example in John 3:16 and Romans 10:9 the term “believe” must indicate that we must believe what God stands for and also obey him. This is because other scriptures indicate that even the demons believe God exists in the form that he truly is in. Salvation is a walk and many people are only taking the first step by confessing, repenting and acknowledging Jesus. Taking the first step on a journey will not get you to your destination.


Many scriptures also only refer to the chosen people and not to everyone like many people think. An example is Luke 11:9, which says "seek, and ye shall find" This does not happen for everyone that we know. However, it should happen to the chosen people who are right with God. Hebrews 13:5 which states ". . . I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." is another example as there are scriptures that state that He will forsake many people.  Jer 23:39 Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, [and cast you] out of my presence:.  This explains how it appears that God is not obviously working in the lives of anyone that we know today. God’s work and creation is perfect. However, those around us have lives that could be described as a chaotic shambles, where there are relentless frustrating problems with no obvious purpose. Hence it may be dangerous to claim that God is working in the lives of those that we know, as this could indicate that God’s work is also a chaotic shambles. The events can be explained by the theory that suggests that God has forsaken us and left us to chance or to Satan until He receives a signal from us that we are right with him. However, even if God is not with us or working in our lives at the moment there is still hope that He will soon.  Some scriptures indicate that God does not love everyone (Romans 9:13, Malachi 1:2-4) and that there are many He will not know (Matthew 7: 22). However, there is still hope that they will be loved by Him one day if they find and do His will.


Some scriptures indicate that an enormous multitude will be saved (Rev 7:9) . However, that is referring to the time in the coming Great Tribulation and not today. Prophecies indicate that we are not in that period yet.

We are in the evil generation as it was in Noah's time before the Son of man is revealed. In the end times, there is to be a falling away like in the days of Noah. But "2Thes 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"


Good News and Solutions


Even if we are not born again or have not heard of a born again believer alive today, the good news is that if we seek God there is still a chance that we will be saved. Even though we appear to be under the curse of Deuteromomy 28, that curse could be broken and our demons can be cast out. These things did happen in the Bible. There is still a good chance that we could develop a true relationship with God. There will be much more chance of this occurring if we could find those people who are definitely born again and have a true relationship with Him.  They would be able to help us enormously, as their prayers should make a noticeable difference. So if we can find them, they could pray for us so that God may help us in many ways. This would help us to assist others more. They would teach us how to find a close relationship with God so that He will help us. Their encouragement would make a big difference. We can do a search for Godly people by sending out letters or advertising in order to locate those that have the evidence of God is leading. The people who are obviously supernaturally led by God, as explained above, should probably be the ones whose beliefs are correct. So if we can find them we will know which of the contradicting interpretations of the Bible to believe and what is important to believe. However, we must make sure that their teaching lines up with the Bible. I know we should seek God first and that people are not the major focus. However, the Bible commands us to have fellowship. We have to deal with people a lot of the time, so it would be better to live and work with those who are led by God. That way we would be able to work more efficiently and do more of God’s work because He would then help us with our needs. Therefore, we would have more time to do God’s work and to preach to unbelievers and help people. The benefits would be enormous if we could work with those whom God leads. It would save us countless hours of searching for who or what we need, or for what is the solution to a frustrating problem.


Many people say that we do not need people and that we should directly seek God. We should seek God directly, but people who have succeeded in finding him would help us do it correctly, as they would teach us their methods. Many people go on out their own and claim to seek God. However they must be doing it incorrectly, as they are led into error and only imagine that they have found God. Going it alone is like trying to learn to fly and land an aircraft by yourself. You would have much more chance if someone showed you how to do it, rather than just tell you. So just seeking God and ignoring evidence, or ignoring other people does not work in almost all cases, because many have tried this and not succeeded. We need practical guidance by those who have succeeded. If we can find Godly people that are obviously led by God, they will be able to encourage us and influence us to walk with God.


It is psychologically difficult to seek and obey God when you do not know of anyone who has succeeded to the degree that the Bible states. Finding someone who successfully has a true relationship with God would motivate us.  In the Bible demon possessed people did not normally only pray for themselves to cast out their demons, break their curses or get healed. Generally the people led by God come and prayed for them. If God said that we should only go on our own and seek Him and only pray for ourselves then He would not have instructed the people of God to pray for others. Demons and curses prevent us from getting close to God and psychologically control our minds. So we need someone to help cast out our demons and break the curses so that we can obey God and have a genuine relationship with him.


Extraordinary Powers


The Bible promises that those with the Holy Spirit will have extraordinary powers accompanying them and that there will be a noticeable and measurable difference between them and the ordinary people. God promises to help and answer the prayers of the righteous in practical ways. For example if they lose something or need to find something or someone, they should be able to pray to find what they need and it should be revealed to them so that the result could not easily be explained by natural causes. I challenge you or anyone that claims to be led by God to come and pray that we will find the things and the people that we need. You should then be able to come up with a list and locations of whom and what we need. Then when we contact those people or obtain the items they should be exactly who or what we need because if the revelations are from God the answer should be correct. I challenge you to do this and produce the evidence that you are really led by God. You are welcome to visit and pray with me. If God was really helping you, you should be able to pray for the time and resources to enable you to visit us and they should be available.


Some unbelievers have tremendous natural abilities such as memory. The Bible indicates that the Holy Spirit is so much better and more powerful than the spirit of unbelievers or their abilities. So someone with the Holy Spirit and walking close to God should appear to have greater abilities than every unbeliever in the world. However, it will be God’s power and not their power. I am not saying that extraordinary powers should have to accompany them all the time or that someone not accompanied by these powers is definitely not born again. However, many scriptures indicate the powers or gifts should accompany God’s people. These powers would be evidence that someone is led by God. Examples would include a supernatural mental ability to think rapidly and remember better than every unbeliever could do with his own natural ability. Many claim to have a supernatural ability to remember or gain revelations and find scriptures. However, these results can normally be explained naturally. Also, unbelievers can often do remarkable things.


 The Bible promises that God will give extraordinary supernatural powers and protection to those believing and walking with Him. "Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Matthew 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this [which is done] to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. 22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.


Do you have or you know anyone who definitely has a relationship with God so that His extraordinary powers are working through them? If so, how can you be sure that what is happening in their lives cannot be explained naturally.


This is not about seeking a sign. This is about seeking to be led by God and have a relationship with him. It is also about seeking godly people to have fellowship with so that they can encourage us. God said that we should move in his spirit and desire spiritual gifts (1Cor 14:1). We should not seek a sign by itself. The sign should not be the thing that totally influences us. The most important thing is seeking and obeying God. It is also important to find fellowship with genuine believers who obey God.
      The Bible says that there will be certain supernatural signs that accompany those that believe. However, the signs themselves do not necessarily indicate that people are born again (Matthew 7:22). Therefore the Bible warns about only seeking signs by themselves. The Bible says to try or test the spirits (1John 4:1). It also says to be vigilant (1Peter 5:8). Salvation also involves obeying God so it is important that we insure that a person is obeying God and has the fruits before we believe that they are saved.

     In Matt 16:1 where they asked about a sign, it talks about a “sign from heaven” Perhaps this is different to what I am talking about because the Bible says that no signs would be given to the generation who asked for them which was alive when Jesus was on earth. However, there were many healings and supernatural occurrences in that time. The sign that Jesus was referring to  may have been like the sign in the below scriptures as it refers to the heavens.
"Isa 38:7  And this [shall be] a sign unto thee from the LORD, that the LORD will do this thing that he hath spoken;
Isa 38:8  Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down."




My concern is that Scriptures state that God does not answer or even hear the prayers of those who are disobedient to God. "James 4:3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
Psalm 66:18 If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear [me]:"
  This could indicate that nobody that we know (including us) is born again or right with God. This is because salvation is conditional on obedience to God, and that nobody that we know has demonstrated to us that their prayers make a consistent difference.


I am not saying that all of our prayers should be answered, or that life should be without problems. However, if we definitely have salvation already, and are God’s children, it should be obvious that He would be helping us some of the time and that there would be a positive purpose or explainable reason for most of our problems. The concern is that these frustrating problems are not trials for God’s children, but curses instead. This is because the problems are relentless and without obvious purpose. Many of us have great ideas that will benefit many people and even lead others to God. However most of them do not benefit many people and end in disappointments, due to circumstances beyond our control. For example we need to find the correct people to help, but cannot. Also frustrating problems delay us, so that projects are not finished in time to benefit people. If we definitely had a relationship with God, there should at least be some evidence that He is working in our lives and loving us. It appears as if God is angry with us and that we are failing to obey or please Him. It is also evidence that we do not know the full truth yet. There are many teachings that we are not sure of.


The concern is that if the status quo prevails, the evidence indicates that everybody that we know (including us) will not make it to Heaven but instead go to Hell. I feel that it is important to warn people of this possible scenario so that they will search for the truth and not become complacent. That would increase the chances of avoiding this scenario which is a real possibility, considering the many scriptures that indicate widespread deception and a falling away in the last days.


There is a good chance that this will change soon if we can find someone whose prayers make a noticeable difference. God should hear their prayers for us so that the curse will be broken over our lives. They could help us to develop a closer relationship with God, so that God would then hear our prayers. Currently it appears as if God is not hearing our prayers, as they are not making any noticeable difference to the natural course of events. Psalm 66:18 (quoted above) also indicates this. In the Bible Jesus and the apostles physically came and prayed for people who were possessed. The possessed people generally did not get set free by just praying by themselves. I think that we need someone who is obviously heard by God to come and pray for us.


It would be appreciated if you could help me to search for those that are truly led by God. If we can find them they could then teach us and pray that we will be led into all truth. This may change many of our views. I am happy to change any of my views if someone obviously led by God showed me that I am wrong.


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True Conspiracies Affecting Everyone. True Conspiracies Affecting Everyone.
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