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I am a Oneness Apostolic,  affiliated with the United Pentecostal Church International. www.upci.org

We are strictly Biblical, Book of Acts Christians. We are Apostolic because we follow the teachings of the Apostles not man. I felt your hunger for true Christians. We are in the World like Jesus said we would be but we are not of the world. What bothers me about your website is the focus you are placing on the world instead of on Jesus. You are focusing on the conspiracy which is absolutely the truth but it's been prophesied to come and we can not stop it, it is written. It's out of Gods will to try to stop it.

I am not trying to stop the conspiracy. I am trying to warn people about it so they won't be deceived by it in an effort they will follow Jesus. Jesus wants us to focus on him and doing His will. The mainstream church of today are not doing His will because they are being deceived by the conspiracy and working for Satan instead of Jesus.

God said he would SEND strong delusion. Why don't you check out www.endtime.com

If you create a parallel society you are outside of Gods will because he did not tell us to do that. The apostles did not do that, they lived in the world but were separated from it.

I am not saying we need to move house and live in a community where we don't mix with unbelievers. We could still live where we are and mix with unbelievers. We should make friends with non-believers. What I am saying is we are not to do the same things as unbelievers and many so called Christians who are working for the conspiracy and Satan. We need to work for Jesus, which means we can't work in most areas of the mainstream system because you have to disobey God to do it. For example if you work for a mainstream bank you have to encourage greed and charge interest. This is strictly disobeying God.

I think you need to study the parable of the talents!

Parables are teachings to help us understand doctrine. They are not necessarily to be taken literally. They give a picture of something else. Parables compare things to make understanding easier. One example is where seeds scattered are compared to the word of God (Math 13:19). Likewise the talents mean a mans ability to do God will (such as giving to the poor). They don't mean literal worldly money.  More will be given to the people who do God's will and use their talents for God's purpose.  If the person given only one talent used his ability for God's will, he would be blessed maybe even more than the others even if he only made one talent. In the Old Testament interest or usury was condemned.

If you are in most areas of the public service you have to yoke with unbelievers, do something inefficient and often encourage people to disobey God such as by encourage greed and encouraging people to work for the system. You also may have to encourage people to use harmful drugs that help the corrupt pharmaceutical companies profit.


Many professions subtly deceive people to disobey God.

How many times does the word say "be not deceived" when you are a true Christian, a true blood bought Christian, you will see through the deception and lies and have no part of it. Your excuses are cop-outs. No child of God will disobey him if they truly love him and have consecrated their lives to him.

The Bible says the elect will be deceived.

Do me a favor Richard. Don't miss quote the Bible on me, ok. The Bible says in Mark 13: 22 "that False Christ's and False Prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect." It says IF it were possible, which means that the deception will be so great that if Gods children do not cling to him they will be deceived. You said that they "will be deceived" when scripture says that there will be false Christ's and false prophets who will show forth there power and if it were "possible" deceive the elect. It won't be possible for those who are consecrated to the Lord.

Yes, drugs are harmful, chemotherapy is harmful but I know three saints who were healed of cancer in the name of Jesus Christ despite the poison they had to receive for the cancer. God works in spite of evil. You underestimate God and his power. God will also use evil people to bring about his will!!!!

The medical system has faith in drugs and not God.

You can still work with the system to a point so long as you are not part of it. For example I provide temperatures to the local TV station as a service. I am also about to put up a weather station on the Internet. I would like to swap links with the Weather bureau.

So I could work together with the weather bureau and system to a point so long as I am not part of their system. But I would discourage any Christian to actually work for the weather bureau because there is a better way to do things.

Evil is everywhere, you cannot escape it. All we can do is pray that God shields his people from evil. It's all a matter of heart. God knows the heart. I was lost in the new age movement, God knew my heart, I wanted truth, I was seeking him but I was worshiping idols. I did not know I was wrong, but God saw my heart desire to serve him and he brought me out of the evil world religion that is soon to accompany the one world government.  I will forever sing his praises. He saved me, no human saved me, Jesus saved me.

Did you know that the IRS has utilized the ominous numerals in various income tax returns> Forms W-2, W-2P and 1040-ES concern rebates due tax payers. If the IRS owes the tax payer, the conditions are to be listed with a code number prefix by 666. All grocery products purchased that have the universal Product code stamped on them are now secretly marked with 666. Do you buy food Richard? If you want to go to your extremes maybe you should plant a garden but then again how can you purchase seeds. Plus all seeds have been genetically engineered to not, they are sterile, they are hybrids.

Sorry I can't understand the above sentence. There are plenty of organic crops and seeds. I would not work for a supermarket. I have a friend who probably is a committed Christian with a small greengrocers shop. He claims he is working with believers so he is not yoked with unbelievers. Also fresh fruit and veges is a useful product unlike many other products and industries. He also claims to use all his money for Christian ministry and helping the poor. For these reasons I don't advise him to stop what he is doing although I am a bit worried that it is taking up too much of his time. Then again everything takes a lot of time and small businesses is a hard game as they are unfairly treated. He may sell some drinks with a bar code on them but this is not enforcing the mark of the Beast or influencing people to work for the corrupt system. There is always a certain amount of evil which you can't avoid as you say. But there is a huge difference between someone in an occupation such as a green grocer and an occupation in the corrupt system that is deceiving people to be part of the corrupt system.  

The only thing God has forbid his people from doing is to take the mark which it looks like it will be a computer chip implanted under the skin. I will die before I allow anyone to implant that devise it me!! Those who refuse the world system and the mark will be killed.

The Bible has many commandments.

Yes it does and very few people obey them!

A2.: A true Christian will not obey the corrupt system. The Apostle Paul already told us we must obey God not man. Satan has you chasing after what he's doing instead of what you should be doing and that is seeking the Kingdom of God. This is what we are called to do. It's ok to warn people of the truth of the conspiracy but to try to create another separate society is not Biblical.

Where does it say not to do that if the society goes out and still mixes with unbelievers to witness to them?

There are many places in the Bible that tell us that we are not of this world but must live in it. It even tells us we must obey human government because God ordained human government. You are out of the Bible in this. The Bible says we are the salt of the earth, we give this world flavor, Matthew 5:13. Titus 2: 12 says we are to live righteously and godly in this present world. Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness. The Church is the separated society, it's already separate. All you have to do is come on in.

I am saying we should live in this world and mix with unbelievers but I am saying we should not be of the world and do what the unbelievers do. It is good to obey government if they are doing God's will but the Bible says not to if they are not doing God's will. The Antichrist will order everyone to take his mark and worship him. If people obey this they are destined for Hell. In Daniel 3, three Godly men also did not obey King Nebuchadnezzar who ordered everyone to worship the image of gold. The system and governments of today are also almost totally evil. To be part of their system is almost always to do what Satan wants. The Antichrist is almost here and his system is mostly in place. Will you take the mark of the Beast?  

We can not mix with sinners/unbelievers. No, I will not take the mark! We need to tell people about the chip that they want to implant in you for "quote un quote" security/health reasons. That is what we need to be telling people, we need to be warning them about the coming World Government. Did you know that the weekly reader polled 4th graders about whether they would take the chip??? 64% said yes. This world does not have a clue about what's going on and your worried about working in the world. Please start warning people about the judgment that is soon to come. Jesus is coming back very soon!!!

A lot of my site is about warning people about the dangers of taking the mark of the Beast. If people work for the corrupt system and Satan they will not have time to warn people about the dangers of taking the mark of the Beast. That is why it is important to warn people to stop working for Satan and start working for God by preaching the gospel.

You are absolutely correct, anyone who obeys the beast system will not go to heaven. Let me tell you something. I live a separated life according to what Jesus has told us to do, and not to do in his word. I work in the world, but I do not obey them IF they ask me to do something that will disobey God. I am not a very popular person at work, I dress differently, I speak differently, I don't laugh at their jokes. I rebuke them when they are blatantly wrong. I am an example for the Lord.  You yourself quoted it "you can not serve both God and Mammon, mammon is money. I don't work to make money for myself. I work to make money for the Kingdom and to pay my bills. I don't look to make more money than God has allowed me to have. Psalms 75: 5,6,7  

The term "make money" is deceptive. People believe that money can be legally made. This is a lie because what people think is making money is actually a transfer of money to the disadvantage of somewhere else. Unless you are a bank or a mint it is illegal to create money. You cannot gain money without disadvantaging someone. But you are not guilty of disadvantaging others if you use your money for God's will. The more money people take from society and don't use for God's will the more it damages and disadvantages others. Useful volunteer work greatly benefits society without taking money from it. People receiving money therefore have a big responsibility to use it for God's will otherwise they are taking more than their fair share.

Also mainstream professions encourage greed as people do it just for money. Often in the mainstream system the poorest people are the hardest working and most honest Christians while people gaining money are corrupt.

Look, the whole money situation is in a shambles, we are on the brink of an economic collapse. The paper money we use is worthless because we have no more Gold to back it up with. It's play money!!!! Get over it, it's part of the plan to bring in the antichrist to power! Start worrying about what really matters SALVATION according to the Bible Acts 2: 38 if you do not have the Holy Ghost you will not be going up in the rapture.

The biggest problem I can see is the so called Christians of today are serving and misusing money and as a result they are disobeying God. This is preventing them using their time and money for God's will and preventing the message of salvation being preached. We need to warn them of the danger.  

Read Matthew 13: 38. The field is the world we are the seed, the good seed is mixed with the world and the wicked! The wheat and the tares are mixed and Jesus and his angles will separate them himself. He does not need you to do it for him. You have your focus just a little off. Jesus needs the wheat among the tares; we are there only hope of salvation in a dark world. They must see Jesus in us.

Under the system I am explaining we are still mixed with unbelievers. It is just we would be doing a different thing to them and we would not be yoked with unbelievers.

To yoke, I believe would be to marry or to agree with what a sinner says and does. I do not yoke with the world.

Just because you work with sinners/unbelievers does not mean your yoked to them. If you go out with them, party with them, laugh at their jokes, drink their booze, smoke their cigarettes. THEN you are taking part in their sinful ways and you are not living according to the Word of God, therefore you are not following after Jesus. We are commanded to fellowship with the saints not the sinners of this world. We talk to them, we witness to them, we try to convert them, but we do not fellowship with them!!!

Yoking does mean to be stuck with like an egg yoke in a shell. I believe you are yoking with unbelievers if you are stuck with the same unbelievers for a long period of time such as day after day in a regular job. There are many problems this causes in the work force such as work place bullying. If you are stuck with the same unbelievers they have an influence on you. It is only natural. That is why it is good to mix with different people by moving on like Jesus. Living with unbelievers would also be yoking with them.

The Bible says not to yoke with unbelievers as I have explained on my site. Did you read the full report with all the Bible verses that is linked to http://www.truechristianity.com/christian/salvationb.htm? The index is at http://truechristianity.com/christian/chapters.htm

With the power of the Holy Ghost I am more of an influence on my co-workers than they are on me. I don't believe that they are any influence on me. I go to work prayed up and have the whole Armour of God on!!! I am an example, I am working on becoming the image of Jesus just like he told us to do. He is changing me everyday, he gives me the power to overcome the evil and temptations of workplace sin.

The human brain naturally remembers things around us and it has an influence over us, therefore if we are yoked with evil people they must have some influence. Thoughts of the past day flash back into our brains. We all get upset by other people.

You need to get into the word Richard. Roman 8: 5 flesh do mind the things of the flesh verse 7 carnal mind is enmity against God. I Corinthians 2:16 but we have the mind of Christ. Phil. 2:2 being of one accord, of one mind. Phil. 2: 5 Let this mind be in you, which was in Christ Jesus. I know exactly where your coming from, your trying to warn carnal, worldly so-called Christians of the dangers of the playing with fire. If they truly loved God they would not be playing with fire, they would be at an altar of repentance. And God said "the hungry shall be filled"

What Jesus said to do is to go out and teach, and preach his gospel and that is what the Apostles did, they were persecuted for it. We will be persecuted for it also, for his names sake. In the Church, which is the body of Christ we take care of one another, we love one another. When we are at our jobs or whatever we are separate from the world, we do not mix with sinners. I do not have a TV, I do not go to the movies, I do not drink, or smoke. I do not read worldly magazines or literature. I do not attend sporting events. I do not curse. I dress modestly and I have uncut hair. I am living for the Lord Jesus Christ, I am his servant, I am his saint. Did you know that the word Christian came from man not God. God calls us saints, we are his saints. We were first called Christians at Antioch. I will be attending a Florida District Ladies Conference this weekend April 18, 19, 20th 2002 in Ocala, Florida with approx. 2000 ladies in attendance, 2000 Holy Ghost filled Apostolic Christians ready to receive whatever God has to give us so we can continue in his service, so we can be overcomers. So we can defeat Satan in our lives in the name of Jesus Christ. I am committed to the Kingdom of God. I teach Bible studies, I witness to them. I am a soul winner. I read and study his word.  

Jesus Christ said HE would build his Church and he is building his church.

I would like to know where. I believe there are good true Christian churches out there somewhere. I am desperate to find them!!

That's the point, your trying to create for yourself something that Jesus has already done and is doing. He said the hungry shall be filled. Why don't you just get on your knees and ask him to lead you into HIS TRUTH!!!

I don't know of any churches that are fully obeying God. I have never been to one. I have been praying to find the truth and seeking God to find genuine Christians. The churches I know are serving God and mammon. The Bible says you cannot do this.  

The Lords church is not a denomination. He saves people. You are trying to find a perfect church in a corrupt and sinful world. There is no perfect church. Jesus said even in a good church you will have tares among the wheat. The perfect have not come yet! He is coming soon.

He said he will have a Kingdom on earth where he will rule for 1000 years. Souls are coming to Jesus from all walks of life, from every denomination, from every tongue and nation. There is world wide revival happening.

Do you mean there will be a world wide revival in the Millennium and maybe the Tribulation? The Bible does indicate this.  I hope you are not saying that there is one at the moment like many people do. The scriptures indicate the opposite. I may write an article about this on my web site. I know more people are believing that Jesus is Lord but it appears as if they are not saved.

The harvest in coming before & during the tribulation. Check the word HARVEST in your concordance. Jesus always speaks in sowing, reaping, harvesting he always speaks in the language of a farmer so we could understand.  Matthew 9:38;  John 4:35. The harvest of the earth is ripe!!! John 4:35 the fields are white to harvest!!  We are seeing a great many souls receiving the Holy Ghost and being baptized in Jesus name. If you focused on what God is doing instead of what Satan is doing then maybe you would see the revival. There is a great falling away, that is God sifting the wheat from the tares!!! We have many great saints falling away, many great pastors falling away. It's written. There are so many so-called Christians out there, there are so many who believe they are saved but are not. If you have not been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and received the Holy Ghost you will not go to heaven.  The Holy Ghost, the spirit of the Lord gives us the power to live a separated life.

You can find the meaning of the word harvest at http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/strongs/1019540889.html It is a gathering of the souls for Christ but the Bible does not say anything about a great many souls receiving the Holy Ghost before the tribulation and the appearance of the Antichrist.  The Bible indicates a falling away and not a revival before Jesus returns.

2 Thessalonians 2 we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

In the days of Noah there were only 8 people saved in the whole world and they were all from Noah's family. The Bible says that it will be similar in our time to the days of Noah and Lot (Luke 17:26). This may be also referring to the percentage of people saved. If so, almost all the people who think that they are Christians are in for a shock.

This is true.

To gather souls for Christ they must be saved, to be saved you must obey the gospel of Jesus Christ, which is taught in the gospels and then it was put into practice by the apostles in the book of Acts. You must be born again of the water and of the spirit to enter into the Kingdom of God. The apostles only baptized one way "In the Name of Jesus Christ" and they received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. Their will be a great falling away and a great harvest of souls!!

There are a great number of people saved in the tribulation though when the people will finally wake up and do God's will. There could still be a great number of people saved today but I believe the percentage will be small like it was in Noah's time. The world is much more populated now so even if only one in a million people were saved there would still be 6000 believers in the world today.

I dreamt that I was teaching that the following might be possible. I am not saying that it is the case because there is still a high chance that the number of saved people world wide could be many times the below amount. But if we taught the possibility of the below, people would become less complacent, would fear God and strive to do his will more. Also people would begin searching for genuine Christians and begin to awake to the problems of the mainstream Christian churches. We could say there MAY be only 0.00000001% or one in a hundred million people saved in this evil time. The 60 saved people worldwide would be over 7 times more the number than the 8 people in Noah's time. They may not include you or I or anyone we have ever met. They may only include people who are consistently supernaturally lead and whose prayers are consistently answered. Many believe they are, but it is often only the placebo effect or imagination. I don't know anyone who is consistently supernaturally lead and whose prayers are consistently answered like the Apostles. We could all be doing something wrong.

BEWARE of any church which belongs to the World Council of Churches. They have gone apostate and are not preaching the truth of Gods Word.

Joel 2: 28, 32 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions.....

This was fulfilled in the days of the apostles and maybe again in the millennium.

It was not fulfilled it was just the beginning, it was the outpouring of Gods spirit.

True, the Bible did not say it would stop. This was quoted in the book of Acts when people were supernaturally guided to speak in another language which a foreign country's people speak. Like other supernatural miracles it may have continued somewhere throughout the last 2000 years somewhere but if it is anywhere today it is certainly not widespread and well known like it was in the Apostles time.

What you are describing here is not Biblical. God did not pour out his Spirit on the day of Pentecost so that those in the crowd would be able to understand them.

But isn't God's purpose to spread the gospel? A gift of speaking in someone else's language would be a good way to spread it. I am not saying it is the only purpose of the gifts. It is also an outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

Receiving the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues in just that; "evidence" to show believers and unbelievers alike that you have truly received the Spirit of God. It is not an outreach tool. The gift of "divers kinds of tongues" is to edify the Church with messages from God. If the person giving the message speaks in a language that someone in the crowd may understand that's wonderful for the person understanding the tongues but it's not the purpose.

It was the outpouring of the Holy Ghost on a crusade type crowd, the Holy Ghost imparts languages that are known. Those in attendance just happened to hear them speak in there own language Acts 2:6 It has continued throughout the past 2000 years but it has been termed heretical and people have been murdered, burned at the stake "Michael Servantis" by John Calvin. Some Christian Huh? he burned a Holy Ghost filled believer at the stake. It has been suppressed because it is the truth. There was a people in the early 1900 who wanted to see the Holy Ghost fall as in the day of Pentecost. They stayed for weeks, praying, and waiting for the promise of the Father. It fell at Azusa Street in Kansas and that was the beinging of a world wide revival of speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance. Some phony churches will try to teach you to speak in tongues. That is not Biblical. The reason for the need of the Holy Ghost is power, power to overcome the world, power to live a holy godly life in Christ Jesus. The Holy Ghost gives power over the enemy Luke 10: 19, 20; Isaiah 59: 19; I John 4: 1-4 speaking in tongues is the evidence that you have indeed received Gods Spirit within you.

Do you know of anyone today who is supernaturally guided to speak in a foreign language on a regular basis so the foreigners can understand them in their language?


Isaiah 28: 11. For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to his people.... Verse 12. This is the refreshing, yet they would not hear. Acts 3: 19  when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

Only a remnant will be saved.

Jesus speaks and teaches of a spiritual harvest in the gospel of Matthew chapter 9 and 13, Mark chapter 4, Luke chapter 10,  John chapter 4, and Rev 14: 15.

The Bible clearly states that many people claim they are Christians but in fact they are not true born again Christians.

What do you call a true born again Christian? I have not seen you lead people to the water, Jesus said ye MUST be born of the water and born of the spirit!!! John 3:5.

A true born again Christian will obey God, which includes being baptized. Baptism is one of many things that we must do to obey God.

I want to discourage statements that create complacency and lukewarm Christians. Matthew 7:21 states "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

The will of the father is to obey him. He has commanded us to be born again to be able to enter into the Kingdom.

Do you know of anyone who is fully doing the fathers will? If so could you please give me their contacts? 

Apostolics live by the word of God!  

There may be a currant revival in some small groups around the world. I have heard such claims but I have never seen them or have anyone ever come to my community portraying a genuine revival. I would love to see someone come to my area that is committed. You would think if there are some genuine people out there God would stir their hearts and lead them to this area. We live in a beautiful safe area in North Queensland, Australia so I can't see why someone does not come here to show us a revival.

They could also see God's beautiful creation, film it and show others of his beauty in a way to lead others to Christ. Aren't we supposed to go into the world to preach the gospel?  If there were a genuine revival they would be here. I encourage you to see other Christian people you know and encourage them to come here at least for a ministry holiday. If they don't while still claiming there is a currant revival in their church then they are disobeying God.

There is a revival crusade coming to Australia in November. I sent you the website.

I am from North Queensland, which is a long way away from the capital cities.

Revival come by God not man! God will send his fire to Australia.

The Bible also warns that the mainstream or apostate church are lukewarm and will be spued out of God's mouth. (Rev 3:14-17) If a church were large in this day of immense evil then they would have to be the apostate church. Wouldn't they? The mainstream churches of today are doing the things of the world by serving mammon and being conformed to the world. This is clear disobedience.

Rev 3 Jesus speaks of the seven churches in so doing he covers the condition of the churches today. Which of the seven churches do you want to be apart of?

I believe we are living in the Laodiceans church age (see http://www.truechristianity.com/christian/lukewarm.htm) This is the mainstream church but we don't want to be part of it. We need to form or find a true church that is serving God. It would be good to have a church like in the Apostles time.  

All seven spirits of those churches are operating today. I am a part of the church of Philadelphia!!!

Apostolic Churches are not mainstream quite the opposite, we are scorned!

Rev 3:14-17 talks about the general church.   If there were a large revival in the world supernatural things would be widely known. I have never seen anything supernatural apart from falling down in a Pentecostal church when being prayed for and had a supernatural force pulling me. The days of the Apostles had widespread supernatural healings and revelations. Prayer also made a noticeable difference to what happened naturally. I know of none of this today although I believe it is out there somewhere. We need people to work for God and look for it.

I believe you told me you have not been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Some Pentecostal churches are not in the truth. You must be baptized in Jesus Name, have the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues to have the gifts of the spirit in operation in the church.

A reason why I believe it is possible that only such a small percentage of the world is saved is that experiments indicate that prayer makes no difference. So all of us bar a small unknown few must be doing something wrong. I still believe there are groups out there where prayer does make a difference but they must not be well known otherwise there would be widespread scientific evidence of the supernatural. I know many people who have seeked God and been to our local Pentecostal churches but they never saw anyone healed. These people persisted in the churches for a while and some were up the front for almost every alter call. They then left the churches disappointed.

Sin separates us from God, if we are a sinner and ask in prayer God will not hear nor will he answer. This is why baptism is the name of Jesus Christ is so very important. Jesus name baptism remits our sin. Acts 2:38 if you have not been baptized this way they you are not saved and you are praying in vain!!!

Jesus said the hungry will be filled, get on the website that I told you about. Search the Internet for Apostolic websites. Jesus will send revival to you but you must seek him first. You must pray and fast.

You don't want to miss this Richard!!!! He said he would pour out his spirit upon all flesh. When we receive the Baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues this gives us the power to overcome the world. We are over comers through the power of the Holy Ghost, which is the Spirit of God. Jesus Christ rules our lives, who lives in us when we receive his spirit.  I did not see the biblical plan of salvation on your website. I saw where you mentioned that you should be baptized and you should receive the Holy Ghost. Should is not good enough, it's a must if you want to go to heaven.

What about someone who is saved in prison before their execution who cannot get baptized? What about the thief on the cross? What about someone who is killed on the way to their baptism? What about someone in a desert where there is no water?

You have to ask Jesus those questions, he holds the keys to death and hell. But, the thief was saved BEFORE Jesus died. What he commanded us to do to be saved did not take effect until he died, the testator had not died when Jesus saved the thief. Now what you have claimed is a lie from hell, you must be baptized to be saved. Satan tries to stop people from being baptized in Jesus name because he knows that once your covered in the blood he can not touch you.

I am baptized but I still will not say to someone who is not baptized that they certainly will go to Hell. They may be still searching and be about to get baptized. If they wilfully did not want to get baptized they would be disobeying God and almost certainly not saved. But what about the other ways so called Christians are disobeying God that I have mentioned in this letter and on my web site. I feel they are more important because the Bible repeats the dangers of money and the world more then it talks about baptism and the Trinity. Please see the full report for all the verses that agree with me.

God cares more about the salvation of your soul. If you fall in love with Jesus and have a relationship with him they these worldly pleasures and desires mean nothing to you.

Have you been baptized in the name of JESUS CHRIST according to the Lords command? Acts 2: 38

If you do not tell people that they are not baptized correctly you are disobeying God.

Yes. I am baptized. They did it in the name of the father, the Son and the Holy Spirit at the Assembly of God Church.

Baptism is obedience to God but there could be circumstances (described above) that do not permit it.

NO WAY, the bible does not say that, the Bible says you MUST be baptized. Richard, the gifts of the spirit can not operate in a church that does not baptize according to the Word of God! IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST ACTS 2: 38 the first message of the newly born church!

Where does the Bible say you MUST be baptized?

John 3: 5, Mark 16:16. If it does not matter why did Paul rebaptized in Acts 19:3,5; Acts 22:16 says be baptized and wash away thy sins....Romans 6:23 for the wages of sin is death. If my sins are not washed away in the name of Jesus Christ I shall die, spiritual separation from God. If I sin after I have been baptized I have an advocate with the Father 1John 2:1, 2Titus 3: 5. He saved us by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost.

The genuine important point is Matthew 7:21 states "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

The will of the Father is to obey him.

If you believe people who are not baptized and don't speak in tongues won't go to Heaven why don't you believe people who are disobeying God in other ways won't make it to heaven?

They won't make it to heaven, if they have the Holy Ghost and backslide they will be lost too. You must live a godly and separated life in order to go to heaven.

I believe the Bible is less clear about the baptism and tongues then it is about other ways so called Christians disobey God. Perhaps no one will make it to Heaven who is in a Trade Union or working for the government (bar rare exceptions) or working for a mainstream bank or large company that promotes or does any ungodly practices. Perhaps nobody will make it to Heaven if they are in any industry that has to promote ungodly or unnecessary things that can't be used for God's will. Perhaps nobody will make it to Heaven if they don't fully use their time or money for God's will as explained at http://www.truechristianity.com/christian/salvationbfull.htm

Show me where it says this about people who work in the world will not go to heaven.

There are many Bible references at http://www.truechristianity.com/christian/salvationbfull.htm that indicate if you work to promote worldly things you may not make it to heaven.

I work in the world but I do not obey the world, I obey God.

But you have to obey the system to remain working for it without being fired.

I work for the State Department, the ring leader of the New World Order and I'm going to heaven.

How do you know that you are going to Heaven? The Bible says that many will think they will make it to Heaven but will not. The group of people who thought they would make it to Heaven were the ones who missed out. Likewise I cannot be certain that I am going to Heaven because I am struggling in many ways and do sin. No one should be certain. God is the judge of these matters. We need to continuously strive and not become complacent. I believe the Devil deceives people that they are going to Heaven so they become complacent, disobey God and then miss out. Matthew 7: 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I work in the world but I am not of the world. I do Gods work and my Job!!!!! He needs me there, he has told me. I have already converted one co-worker. They need me, they are living in darkness. So are you Richard. You need to really seek the Lord on this.

How do you know God needs you there and how do you know you have already converted one co-worker?

Jesus told me in prayer, his word says that he needs us in this world to be his hands and feet, to be the image of Jesus Christ to a dying world. Some people may never see Jesus, some people will get a glimpse of him in a true Christian. Michelle was a Baptist who was baptized in the name of the father, son and Holy Ghost. She did not know the word of God. It took two years of her seeing Jesus in me, and wanting what I have. I have Jesus in me because I have the Holy Ghost. She could feel him, she looked at me with intent, she asked questions, she wanted me to teach her a bible study. When she read the truth for herself, she struggled with it. It took time but the word of God is very powerful and the Lord led her to the water in his name. She came to my church on night after work. Let me tell you something else. My Pastor was on a plane on his way back from a crusade in Spain. I called his house to see if he could come to the church to baptize Michelle Sis Elms said well Pastor is on a plane and his flight lands at around 4:00 we'll meet you at the church at 7:00pm. He came that evening and he prayed with Michelle and she received the Holy Ghost before she was baptized in Jesus name " it happened that way in the bible too" She has not been the same since. Her life has completely changed. She lives for the Lord.

You would have more time to reach and witness to more people if you were not restricted to working for the corrupt system which also prevents you from moving on to meet more people.

That may have been true last month, but we just moved to a new office building. There are many, many people there. I will be witnessing to these people also. God will provide me the opportunity, he will set me up to meet those who are hungry for his truth. All I have to do is cast out the seeds, Jesus is the Lord of the harvest.

The problem is your occupation will not let you witness or do God's work enough because you have to work for the 'new world order' as you say. You have to do the work for the corrupt system which would not give you enough time to share the gospel.

I have seeked God on these things. This is where He led me. I tried to seek work and money in the world and He must have stopped me to show me this is not what I supposed to be doing.  Did you read my autobiography at http://www.advantagein.com/autobiography/?

The problem is people are taking the mainstream churches advice to work for the corrupt system. Then they either:
1. Can't find work for years and lose a lot of money and time for the effort to search.
2. Go broke in a business and lose money and time for the effort.
3. Are corrupted by the system or are stressed by the system.

All these things destroy lives and prevent people from doing God's will.

Nothing can prevent someone from doing Gods will accept themselves. You want to make excuses for people's sin. You can't. They have a choice to make. Choose you this day who you will serve as for me and my house we will serve the Lord Joshua 24:15

Also if you work for the corrupt system you are a bad example as a Christian because you could deceive others to work for the corrupt system.

My co-workers have no doubt who I serve. You could call my office and ask anyone of them! They will tell you I serve the Lord. Ask them if I lie, ask them if I would do anything at my job that would go against the word of God. They will all tell you, because they know where I stand. It's up to the Christian to take a stand for God, to make it perfectly clear who they serve. Most people want to serve with one foot in the world and one foot in the kingdom. Romans 8:18 says it all that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. I have picked up my cross and I shall follow Jesus.

But if others see you working in a corrupt profession, wouldn't it deceive others including Christians to seek work in a corrupt profession?

No, it's not an issue. I'm not corrupt. You're trying to say just because I work in the world that I'm corrupt too. It's just no so. I work in the world but I'm not of the world.

Every one on earth has been corrupted or tainted to a point by the world. Some more than others. We are all sinners. According to dictionary.com corrupted means "To taint; contaminate. To cause to become rotten; spoil."

Get back in the Word. I am a sinner because of my sinful nature that I was born with. I am not a habitual sinner. I have been redeemed by the Blood of the lamb. My sins were remitted when I went down under the water in the name of Jesus Christ. You are still a sinner and living in sin until you decide to get cleansed in the blood by water baptism in the only name that saves. Nether is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4: 12

I have explained this in more detail in the full report than in the summary. The system is so corrupt you have to obey it to hold an occupation in it. So you have to obey the world to have an occupation that I have mentioned above.

If you work for the new world order as you say, you are working for Satan because Satan controls the system as explained on my site. Was there a case of anyone working for Satan who was doing God's will and on they're way to Heaven in the Bible? No, they were doing the opposite by leaving an occupation if they were working for Satan like Matthew did. Where you say, "I do Gods work and my Job!!!!!" The Bible says, "You can't serve two masters" if the job is working for Satan behind the New World Order.  Our job as Christians is to work for God. God will still want you to mix with the people who are doing those occupations but not to yoke with them. In most occupations many people are victims of work place bullying and are forced to disobey God to do their work.

They are not forced to disobey God, they chose to disobeys God. Lets get real here. Jesus said if you deny me, he will deny you to the father!!! These so-called Christians have to take a stand for Jesus. This is what the cross is all about, pickup your cross and follow me.

If you were not working for the corrupt system you would have more time to focus on winning souls to Christ instead of doing the will of the corrupt system which prevents you from spending your time witnessing to people. You could still visit the exact same people as you are working with now.  

1 John 5:4 says that we can overcome the world if we are born of God, and this is our victory.

Rev 2:7 says to him that are overcomers will I give to eat of the tree of life. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. God is saying that the overcomers of this world will be in paradise with him.......

Matthew 10:22 says he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

The whole Bible teaches us how to overcome this world even though we have to live in it.

I do not do the will of the system, I do my very humanly best to do the will of God. "I can do all things through Christ which stregtheneth me" Phil 4: 13.  

But isn't working in a corrupt workplace of the world because it is doing what the unbelievers are doing and disobeying God as explained at http://www.truechristianity.com/christian/salvationb.htm

You can do your job without disobeying God. I do and I work in the world.

I have explained this in more detail in the full report than in the summary. The system is so corrupt you have to obey it to hold an occupation in it. So you have to obey the world in most occupations. You need to promote evil to avoid being fired in most occupations. People who speak out against the system are often fired.

THEN GET FIRED!!!!!! The Lord will provide you with an acceptable job if you are sincerely wanting to live for him.

This is exactly the way it should be and will be. Christians have to choose their job carefully and prayerfully. I would rather be fired than do what Satan tells me to do.

I do not disobey God at my job!!! I do not serve money, I serve God. Mammon does not mean boss or supervisor, it means money. I obey my boss as the scriptures tell me to do unless they ask me to do something against God!! Then I must say no which has already happened. I ship freight for the State Dept. I serve the Foreign service personnel in moving their cars and household effects. I am not in a position to make Foreign policy, I do not serve Satan just because I work in the world. This is not biblical, that just because you work for a corrupt system that you automatically are guilty of serving Satan. I serve my Lord Jesus Christ and he knows it!!! I would love to have a job surrounded by other like minded people, I love being in the company of Gods people. I can not do what God wants me to do in the world, he wants me to be a witness for him. I can not do that in the company of Gods people. I have to expose myself to sinners and make a difference in their lives. I have to let them see Jesus. The only way sinners are going to see Jesus is by me being there. If they look at me, when I am denying Satan and his system they will be moved! My boss is one of those so-called worldly Christians, he sees me, he sees my behavior compared to his; its not the same behavior. He cusses and drinks. I don't. If he cussed I rebuke him for it.

I never said all occupations are serving Satan. Yours may be an exception, although I don't believe it is from what you say. You have to ask yourself, are you inadvertently promoting products or services that are ungodly? Is your workforce encouraging people to work in ungodly occupations? Is your occupation efficient or is there a way you know of how it could be done more efficiently to benefit the community more? Are you stuck with or working with the same unbelievers most of the time instead of moving on to reveal God to others? There is no point persisting with people who are not interested. It means you have less time to move on to be with other unbelievers to win them over. Is there a lot of competition in your workforce? Serious competition is Satan's principle as it destroys disadvantaged people. The whole system runs on this principle. To seek paid work you have to compete against others and prevent them from getting paid work. It is like gambling in a casino where some people cannot obtain paid work after years of hard searching and when they finally do get it, they don't enjoy their paid work because most likely it will be disobeying God. As a result the stress often destroys their lives. Most of the richest (approx. 5% of) people the world who earn more than a pension are competing against the financially disadvantaged honest ones, and are willfully spending their money on unnecessary things. God's fair regulated system is the opposite of serious competition, which is Satan's method. 

There is no way Christians could work in corrupt professions if they testified against all this. They would be fired. If they continue working in corrupt professions it means they are not opposing the corruption but instead they must be promoting or helping corruption instead. Hence they are disobeying God. If they were apposing the corruption in the system to the extent that I have explained they would not have time to do the work the corrupt system wants them to do and they would be fired. This is why we need a better system, which overcomes all these problems. I have one at http://www.truechristianity.com/christian/salvationb.htm

Jesus said if we live for him and pick up our cross and follow him that he would take care of us. What I am seeing in you is very scaring because you claim a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. God is more than capable of taking care of his children who refuse to obey Satan and his system.

The Bible says God has power and I believe it. I don't see the supernatural miracles or proof of consistently answered prayer in any churches I have been to. But I believe it is out there somewhere. This must mean the mainstream church and the churches I have been to are is doing something wrong. I wish people would realize this and start trying to search or form a genuine Christian church.

Mainstream churches do not preach the truth. The Assemblies of God are not preaching the truth, they miss the mark when they baptize in the name of the father, son and holy ghost. The power to remit sin is in the name of Jesus Christ. Those who are not baptized in the name of Jesus Christ are still sinners and can not possibly perform the works of the spirit. They have the Holy Ghost, they speak in tongues but they don't have the complete truth which forms the true church of Christ.

One of the biggest problems today is so called Christians are working for Satan instead of God. There would be a revival if people stopped working for Satan and the corrupt system and started putting all those many hours into doing God's ministry or at least doing a Godly occupation where they have freedom to promote God. There would be a revival if the so-called Christians used their money for God's will so the gospel could be promoted and people in ungodly areas could be reached.

You must be born of the water and of the spirit to enter the Kingdom. You must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, not the titles Father, Son and Holy Ghost that my friend is a pagan lie perpetuated by the Roman Catholic Church in the second century.

Do you see evidence of today where baptism in the name of Jesus Christ makes a difference to people's lives but baptism in "the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" makes little or no difference?

Yes, I know people who are baptized incorrectly and I also know people who are baptized according to the Word of God, which is in the name of Jesus Christ. The apostles only baptized one way. The Bible baptized only ONE way. Who was man that he changed the word of God into a lie? The Roman Catholic Church changed the formula into the father, son and Holy Ghost in about 325AD up until then it was widely know of only baptizing in the name of Jesus. All you have to do is to do a little research. Then the reformation came, the only thing wrong was that the protestants held to the triune mode of baptism instead of holding onto the Biblical. When people get baptized in the name of the father, son and holy ghost is all do respect they are just getting all wet because there is no remission of sin. When people come up out of the water in Jesus name they are free from all past sin, THEY ARE FREE and they know it, they feel it. If they are fully repentant they receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost as they come up out of the water. It is a glorious experience. You can not even compare the two.

What evidence today do you have that the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ makes a bigger difference to peoples lives than baptism in "the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"?

There is Biblical evidence and scripture that states that the wages of sin is death, spiritual death. Sin separates us from God. When you are baptized correctly according to the Bible your sins are remitted and you may come boldly before the throne of God because you are covered in the blood of the lamb. The scripture says without blood there is no remission of sin. Salvation is through faith and obedience to the word of God. Faith in the atoning work of Jesus Christ on Calvary and obedience to the word. Romans 1: 5 says that "By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name. Titus 3: 5 "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but by according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost. Luke 24: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached "IN HIS NAME" among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Which is where Peter preached the very first message of the new born church in Acts chapter 2. When you are baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and receive his spirit with the evidence of speaking in other tongues which is the Holy Ghost who gives us the power to lead an overcoming life. Without it, it is impossible. Try as you may you will always fall back into sin. With the Holy Ghost, he gives us the power to overcome sin.

By evidence I mean something that is noticeable like scientific evidence. I meant do you know of studies that show that baptism in the name of Jesus Christ makes a bigger difference to peoples lives than baptism in "the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"?

I know some people don't like mixing scientific evidence with Christianity. But we need to expose the truth. A lot of people are claiming things that are not true and make no difference in actual fact. There was enormous evidence that Jesus and the Apostles had a supernatural ministry. Even the skeptics believed. I do not see that in today's church or at least it is not widespread. Today skeptics seem to remain skeptics. The church needs to face the skeptics and use scientific evidence to prove extraordinary claims if they make such claims. If they are true they should be able to be proven. If they can't be proven perhaps they should not make such claims because they could give people false hope, teach lies and cause the church damage.

A lot of things are imaginary or are natural occurrences and this can be deceptive. We need to face the facts and see what is really happening. If we research the facts many people may find that very few supernatural miracles are happening today compared to what they thought. Then they may realize they are doing something wrong and then repent and therefore seek a better church.

Gods WORD does not need any scientific evidence to prove it is the truth. The Bible says that we are to have faith. If you don't believe what the Bible says is true than what in heavens name are we doing here. I don't need scientific fact to prove truth.

I am not talking about that. I am talking about exposing counterfeit claims by many Pentecostal churches that claim supernatural miracles and healings when there is none. People get sucked into believing such claims because they do not do a full study of whether it is true. If it is true it should be able to be proven by scientific evidence. False claims by many Pentecostal churches are giving people false hope and are giving the church a bad name.

Jesus said it would happen, and it is. Who are we to try to separate the wheat from the tares. Jesus said he would do that.

I know the Bible is true. I am saying people in the churches should make sure the claims are true before they make these claims. Otherwise they could be misleading people with false information. This has caused people to leave the church and become disgruntled. Some may have become angry with God and committed suicide as a result. We need people to be honest and study the facts so they can expose corruption. It pays to research the facts otherwise our claims could be false and we could be accountable for deceiving people.

You seem to be forgetting one component and that is Satan. God allows him to tempt us, and to deceive us. I sure do wish you would try and stop defending Satan because he is being allowed by God to do what he is doing. A real Christian with a sincere heart will find the truth. We only need to pray.

I don't know what you mean when you say I am forgetting about Satan and defending him. A lot of my website at truechristianity.com says the world system is satanic and that Christians should not be conformed to it. I warn people of the dangers of Satan and the world so they will not work for and help Satan. I am the enemy of Satan and would like to see him defeated and not defended.

I have seen all the evidence in supernatural happenings and felt the Holy presence of the Lord Jesus Christ. If they want truth all they have to do is obey what the Bible teaches as a whole not certain scriptures taken out of context or twisted to say what you want them to say. I can't believe you are trying to prove the existence of Jesus to a bunch of skeptics. Jesus told us not to cast our pearls before swine!!!

I am talking about people who are truly seeking God. They have become skeptics after being burnt by the church.

"The hungry shall be filled" God said it I believe it. He said if someone does not believe the truth of the scriptures that you have told them, then go on to someone else!!! As I told you before you are not going to see the truth of supernatural happenings in churches that do not teach the truth of the scripture. Go to an APOSTOLIC CHURCH, Apostolic means after the apostles, or apostles teachings. It is wide spread, it's everywhere. The apostolic church is the biggest in the world and growing bigger everyday.

It is not here. There is a large Assemblies of God church and a large Christian Outreach Centre church in our area. They are Pentecostal churches. But there is no APOSTOLIC CHURCH in our area. There is one in Cairns city (80 minutes drive from here) but it is not well known. Committed Pentecostal Christians even in Cairns have not heard of the APOSTOLIC CHURCH. If it is better and bigger than the Assemblies of God church you would think those who have left the Assemblies of God church would flock to it and people would notice it and praise it.

No, the true church will never be praised. We will be persecuted.

I am not talking about the unchristian worldly people. Christians who are seeking for the true church would praise it if they found it. Here there are people hungry and seeking and searching for God but they cannot find the true Church.

Where is the reference that states "The Apostolic Church is the biggest in the world"?

I read the statistics somewhere. I don't remember now. It is many, many organizations that make up Holiness Apostolics. We separated from the Assemblies of God many years ago due to the Trinity issue. Why don't you look into it on the net.

If the Apostolic Church is the biggest in the world isn't that a danger sign in this evil generation? It may be considered to be the Apostate church by God because our time is prophesied to be similar to the times of Noah when only 8 were saved as I explained. (It is interesting how the words Apostolic and Apostate is spelt almost the same.) Therefore the true Church should be very small but committed. The mainstream ones will be spued out by God.

Rev 3:14 "And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:"

Do you think the only thing wrong with the Assemblies of God is their doctrine on the Trinity and Baptism? These are only minor issues compared to the ways they are disobeying God according to the scriptures. People in those churches claim they are healed when they are not. This sucks people in to those churches so people give them their money. Then the money is misused in many ways such as; building stain glass windows, buying an excessive amount of loud or deafening musical instruments and preaching a lukewarm ministry. They also entice people to work in corrupt occupations and seek money to spend on unnecessary things. Their leaders wear expensive showy fashions, jewelry and cosmetics that are probably an obomination and idols in God's site.

I don't see the Apostolic Church speaking out against this corruption like the Prophets and Apostles in the Bible did. The churches compromising to accommodate corruption and its size are why I don't believe it is the true church although they do preach a lot of the truth.

The Apostolic Church's own website admits they don't want to speak out against corruption in case some pastors disagree.

The FAQ site at http://pub49.bravenet.com/faq/show.php?usernum=4201167081says and linked to http://www.apostolic.net/ states: "It is against Apostolic Network policy to answer questions regarding manner of dress, facial hair, hair style, finger rings and "such like". . . we will never undermine the pastoral teaching of an Apostolic Pastor by giving a "second opinion" on these topics."

This would indicate a lukewarmness and a compromise like the church spued out of God's mouth in the above verses. If pastors disagree with the truth and the Bible they should be removed from the Church if they don't come to the point of correction and repentance. The church should be wanting to weed out corruption and not compromising for it. The mainstream churches today are too politically correct. Instead of preaching Biblical truth, they are concerned about getting a large number of members so they can give their money to the church.

Unfortunately from what I have read and what you have stated it sound like the Apostolic Church is mainstream and fits in this category.

If a church is genuine they should be preaching from the Bible like the Apostles and speaking out against corruption in a similar way to truechristianity.com

The solution is too form a church under a new name that does not tolerate corruption and fully obeys the Bible.

Richard, Your missing the point. Apostolic Pastors all have differing views on Holiness Standards and what they will allow in their church. "It is against Apostolic Network policy to answer questions regarding manner of dress, facial hair, hair style, finger rings and "such like". . . we will never undermine the pastoral teaching of an Apostolic Pastor by giving a "second opinion" on these topics."That is what that article is talking about. God gave Pastors that authority, to make those decisions. Apostolics do not condone corruption in the church. You are misinterpreting what that statement is saying. Some pastors allow wedding rings and some do not. That not corruption!!!!!!!!!!!! Apostolic Network will not second opinion a Pastors judgment. This is getting ridiculous.

1Ti 2:9 Says: In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

Along with disobeying the above scripture, seeking money and spending it on unnecessary things or idols while other people in the world are starving to death would have to be considered corruption in God's sight.

Wedding rings could be fine if they are not too costly because they are a simbol of a marrage. The quoted statement does not say wedding rings. The thing that upsets me in the churches is the unnecessary jewelary that costs money and gives the impression of worldlyness. So many people including the leaders ware necklaces, earings and finger rings other than wedding rings. This encourages others to seek money and corrupt professions to spend it on unnecessary things or idols. You would think the church would take a more clear stand on what they allow or disallow, otherwise it appears lukewarm and sitting on the fence. Does that mean they would also allow men to ware lady's cloths and long hair who may be homosexuals to be in the ministry?



Some Pastors allow bicep length sleeves and some do not. Some Pastors allow mustaches and some do not.

Why wouldn't they allow a mustache? There is nothing wrong with that according to the Bible. If pastors focus on these issues instead of the important ones they need to be corrected.

In your question concerning Jesus name baptism and the Pagan Trinity way, that is why there is so much corruption is the churches. There will always be corruption Richard. You will never have a perfect church until Jesus returns!!! So you just keep hunting. You need to get into the word. JESUS SAID THAT THERE WILL BE CORRUPTION AND HYPOCRITES IN THE CHURCH, HIS CHURCH!!! HE SAID IT HIMSELF.

I have no intention of defending my church. Truth stands alone.

You have to make a choice who you will serve.

Richard, Just remember something. The true church is a body of believers and Jesus is the head of the body. It is not a denomination or an organization. Jesus is not coming back just for the Apostolics of this earth, he's coming back for his church which is a body of believers who have obeyed his WORD which teaches us the plan of salvation and how to live a godly life.

I am praying for you in Jesus Name. Edith

I don't know where you live but it sounds like it could be like the back swamps of Louisiana or Tennessee or the mountains of Virginia where the people there don't know what is happening in the rest of the world.

I told you weeks ago that I live in North Queensland, Australia. I am in a town called Tolga near Cairns. The Atherton Tableland where I live has over 40,000 people and there is no Apostolic Church. Cairns has about 120,000 people.


So do you say "the name of [the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost]" is Jesus Christ?

Well no, I don't say it the Bible which is the Word of God, he says it. You can not, according to scripture form doctrine on one scripture and that is what was done with Matthew 28: 19 plus there is no scripture showing the apostles ever baptized this way. It's not there because they didn't do it. The Bible teaches that Jesus Christ is God, he is revealed in Revelation as the one who sits on the throne Rev 22: 3, 4. John 10: 30 I and my Father are one. Yes, the Bible teaches Jesus is God, who robed himself in flesh to save a dying world. One God who revealed himself in three manifestations but the same spirit of the one true God. Not three distinct persons which is the teaching of the unbiblical trinity which has no biblical foundations but does have pagan foundations.

Do you say the Father, the son and the Holy Ghost are all the same being?

No, they are all one Spirit. I John 5: 7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. John 1: 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Why is the Holy Ghost used as a name instead of just Jesus Christ? The father is another name. Some scriptures indicate they are different beings.

Don't you think the following verses indicate a Trinity? I am not saying there is a Trinity. It is a doubtful area. There is no firm scripture that says there is no Trinity. I believe we should focus on the more important areas like I have mentioned at http://truechristianity.com

This IS very important!

[Note I will ad more verses when I find them]

"Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Mar 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


Jesus prayed to the Father while he was yet in the flesh, Christ came to save humanity. God sacrificed his own son, Christ the man. I can not give you a Bible Study here. But you need to study the Bible. The Father clothed himself in flesh and dwelt among us and his name was Jesus. The Holy Spirit is not a name it's just the Spirit of God which is Holy. Father is not a name it's a title, just like mother, sister, brother, cousin.

Jesus was 100 percent MAN, he got hungry, he got tired, he slept, he wept, and he died. Jesus was 100 percent God, he walked on water, he made the blind see, he made the deaf hear, he made the crippled to walk, he calmed the storm, he rose from the dead. He sits on the throne all by himself Rev 4: 2 ; Rev 20: 11

Right hand of God Mk 16: 19 Right hand of Power Mt 26: 64 One Throne Rev 4: 2; Rev 20: 11 not two, not three just ONE

John 4: 24 God is a Spirit. If God is a Spirit, how did he hang on a cross? Answer: I Ti 3:16 - MANIFEST" Make clear, show plainly, reveal, to be evidence of"

One Father Ep 4:6 God is the Father Ps 68:5, 89:26. Jesus is the Father Is 9:6; Jn 14: 8-11.

God is the creator Ge 1:1. Jesus is the creator Col 1: 13-16.

God the first and the last Is 41:4. Jesus is the first and the last Rev 1: 17-18.

God the Savior Is 43: 11 Jesus the savior 1 Jn 4: 14

God is Alpha and Omega Rev 21: 3-6 Jesus is Alpha and Omega Rev 1: 10-13

Father of Jesus (God) - II Co 11:31 Father of Jesus (Holy Ghost) - Mt 1: 18-20

Jn 14: 6-11 Phillip said "show me the Father" Jesus said "your looking at him" Jn 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Luke 10: 21-22 The mystery of deity is hidden from the world!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unless you are as a little child ye shall not see the Kingdom of God.

What about Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: ?

My favourite scripture. It's great because Jesus is telling the Apostles what he wants them to do and in whose name he wants them to do it. Notice NAME is singular not plural. Those are titles of the ONE true God who clothed himself in flesh and dwelt among us. His name is JESUS CHRIST.  The Apostles only baptized one way, did they disobey their Lord? I think not!

The Bible talks about the Holy Spirit and the Father in separate places. I don't think baptism and the Trinity are as import as the other issues I focus on. Views on baptism and the Trinity are grey areas that cause division. The Bible says not to dispute or focus on grey areas when there are more important areas such as informing people they need to work for God and not Satan.

The Apostles never baptized in the titles they baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.  You are afraid to cause division oh how New World Order can you get! Jesus caused division when he said NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME!!!! You cannot come to God any other way, you must go through Jesus Christ by being baptized in his name and receiving his spirit. That my friend causes division because the word of God divides truth from error.

Why do these minor points matter when there are more important ones?  If Jesus said to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: and the Apostles baptized in the name of Jesus Christ then either way must be fine, wouldn't it? It is good to cause divisions if the matter is important but we still need a group for fellowship that agrees on the important issues. There will always be disagreements on minor issues between everyone.

If it is wrong to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: why did Jesus say to do it? Jesus Christ is the Son so wouldn't the word "Son" in the above phrase be the same as saying Jesus Christ? The above phrase includes the word "Son" so it is still saying to do it in the name of the "Son" or Jesus Christ. The above phrase also ads the Father and the Holy Ghost. Don't you believe they are important?

The Apostles only baptized one way in scripture that did not disobey their Lord. They obeyed him Acts 2: 38 Son is not a name, Jesus said to baptize in the name of the Father, Jesus said I come in my Fathers name!!! He said the Holy Ghost is come in my name!!! There is only ONE God and his name is Jesus. Hear O Israel the Lord our God is ONE LORD!!! John 1: 1 In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God, and the WORD was God Col 2: 9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. God the Father robed himself in flesh.

If you say 'Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost' are the titles of Jesus Christ then do you say the phrase 'Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost' equals the phrase 'Jesus Christ' in meaning?

NO, because scripture says to baptize in the "name" not the titles or manifestations of God. It does not equal the name of JESUS CHRIST. NEITHER IS THERE SALVATION IN ANY OTHER; FOR THERE IS NONE OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN AMONG MEN, WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED. ACTS 4:12 The power is in the name of Jesus Christ. Demons flee from him. You can not cast out a demon in the name of the father, son, and holy ghost they would laugh at you. They recognize Jesus, nothing else!!!!  

The true church was all but wiped out accept for some who were martyred as heretics. The true gospel is the Death, Burial, and Resurrection of Jesus Christ applied to our lives. Repentance, which is death to our old self, our human nature and complete renunciation of our sin and our sinful nature. Burial which is the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and receiving the Holy Ghost which is the resurrection of your new life in Christ Jesus with the evidence of speaking in other tongues as the spirit gives utterance Acts 2:38,39 If you want I have complete Bible Studies and scripture to back up everything I have said, scripture not taken out of context like most denominations do. I live in Pembroke Pines, Florida USA.

Imagine how much happier and better off they would be in a system like at http://www.truechristianity.com/christian/salvationb.htm      


A3 Jesus has a separated church, he said he was going to build one and he is building one. If you obey anyone who tells you to do something against Gods word that is sin. It sounds like you are trying to create the Kingdom of God on earth before Jesus comes back to do it himself. You are out of the Bible.

I am not trying to create Heaven on Earth. I just want to have Christians in a system where they can obey God. If they work for most areas in the mainstream system they have to disobey God because the mainstream system is so corrupt. I am trying to warn people about it so they won't be deceived by it. Therefore they may begin to follow Jesus. Jesus wants us to focus on him and doing His will. The mainstream church of today are not doing His will because they are being deceived by the conspiracy and working for Satan instead of Jesus.

God is in complete control of this corrupt world. He knows and is allowing it to happen. You want to create a society were we won't be tempted to disobey God. People are going to follow Jesus if they want to follow Jesus. You cannot make it easier for them to come to him. God makes the rules, not us. Gods world, he made it, he allows Satan to tempt us just like he allowed Satan to tempt Jesus. If we truly love the Lord, it's very easy to follow him. Yes, the mainstream church is corrupt and allot of people are deceived but you cannot keep them from it. Only prayer can change a heart!!! God said the hungry shall be filled.

There is enough to tempt us without working for the corrupt system. There is the media, friends and the Devil himself. Also believers may even still be traumatized from the corrupt system when they were working for it. They may have been cursed. I am saying we should still mix with unbelievers so we will still be tempted. Again I am not saying we should isolate ourselves.

True Christians must make hourly decisions. I don't watch TV because it's all media conditioning to make people accept the world view, world community, globalization, world citizen. They have already begun the conditioning to accept the mark of the beast. Not everyone is going to accept what we have to say. I finally believe we have come to an impasse and I think, we are on the same page now, accept for salvation. I understand you want to warn people of the coming Satanic System but I also believe you are not putting enough emphasis on salvation. Salvation is key, without that it doesn't matter what you tell them because they will perish anyway. You are not even preaching what the apostles preached. They preached Jesus name baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost so that they could live an overcoming life.

I have information on Salvation and on Baptism and the Holy Spirit at http://www.truechristianity.com/christian/salvation.htm There are different ministries with different focuses. There is plenty of information on this on many sites elsewhere.

There is virtually no emphasis elsewhere on the other things I am saying which affect salvation. Therefore I don't want to imbed these issues in a lot of information because there would be less chance of people reading them. No site can cover everything. Most of the other sites I have seen only focus on the first steps to salvation and ignore other important issues such as how we are to obey God.  

Jesus said we must live IN this world but we are to live separated lives.    

A4. a): The Apostles did not impart Gods gifts to each other.

What about where it says 2Ti 1:6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.

These people had the Holy Ghost and by the laying on of hands when they are weak in spirit it sirs up the Holy Ghost within them.

Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spoke with tongues, and prophesied.

Paul's hands "as with my own" are conduits for the Holy Ghost. God imparts his spirit, not that the Apostles imparted it.

Act 8:17 Then laid they [their] hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Again it's just God using human hands to impart his spirit upon them.

Should I say "God imparted gifts through the apostles" instead.

No, the apostles did then, what is still available today for those who have received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues as the spirit gives utterance. It takes tremendous faith to impart the Holy Ghost to another, you must believe that God is able to the things he said he would do. You must have faith as a mustard seed, and believe. Any church who builds their doctrine upon the book of Acts doctrine as given to them by the Lord Jesus Christ in the Gospels will have supernatural gifts in operation "all nine of them" They will operate as God imparts them. There are diversities of gifts but the same spirit - 1 Corinthians 12:4. Paul says to pray for the best gifts - 1 Corinthians 12:31.

God filled them with the Holy Ghost. He is still doing it today!!! If you have the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues then you have the power of God in you, and are baptized in Jesus name and live a godly Holy life you will have the gifts of the spirit. I am an Apostolic Christian with supernatural power through Jesus Christ. Amen! I pray for people, I lay hands on people and the Lord uses me to healing them. It's all a matter of obedience.

What could I say in a single sentence in replace of "The apostles imparted God's gifts to each other, healed, cast out demons and broke curses."?

A4. b): yes, in the true church

A5. b): why study? Prayer through faith changes things ...it takes faith

Many people claim things that are not true and give people false hope. Many of my friends have gone to local Pentecostal churches with false hope. They then became angry and disillusioned with the Church as a result when they found out that nobody they saw were supernaturally healed. A study of true results will expose people and churches that falsely claim that their prayers make a difference. The truth will indicate that they are doing something wrong and that they need to repent. Also it will help people find the true Christians and the true Churches.

Look, if you or your friends have been to a church and then they find out it's not the truth then they need to keep praying and seeking Gods truth. There is corruption and sin even in a true church. Jesus said it; he said that there are tares among the wheat. You want heaven on earth and it's just not that way. God will heal who he wants to heal. I have the gift of healing but God chooses who he will heal not me. I can lay my hands on two people and one will be healed and one won't!!! Does that make me a phony? No it does not because I am not in control here, God is.

The gift of discernment is also very useful!!!

I did not say I want Heaven on earth. But the world at the moment is more like Hell on earth. You would think there would be a high percentage supernaturally healed if supernatural healing happens today. My friends and I who went to the Pentecostal churches have never seen it. What percentages of people are supernaturally healed in your ministry and church?  Based on what is recorded, in the Apostles time it was the exception when people weren't supernaturally healed after an Apostle prayed for and laid hands on them.

A6.: There are no painless decisions; you must seek God on your face for his will to be manifest in your life. You want the easy way out. God does not work like that.

A11.: I'm sorry I live so far away. I live in Florida. I have seen supernatural healings. Just last night as a matter of fact! Do you have the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues? If so you have all nine gifts that just need to be developed. FAITH, and believing that God is able to heal is all it takes. It's not us it's the Lord who heals.

A12.: Edithpst@bellsouth.net

A13.: No, but all you need is a move of the Holy Ghost.

A14.: They happen when you call upon God with faith for healings. You must have been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, the only way that the apostles baptized!! You must receive the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. Read the book of Acts

1(a): They can only do his will if they have the power of the Holy Ghost within them to overcome the world and all it's sin. You need to visit an APOSTOLIC CHURCH

1(b): They need the Holy Ghost

1(c): They need the power of the Holy Ghost to overcome the world. Jesus overcame the world. We have been given life through him. The secret is the receiving of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues....

1(d): SIN SIN SIN it's our fault seek the Holy Ghost today e-mail me at edithpst@bellsouth.net

1(e): You can not fail in Christ Jesus

1(f): God is GOOD!

1(g): If it's not your fault whose fault is it? It is our fault, sin causes all of the pain and failures you describe. Stop sinning! There is no failing in Jesus I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me. You need the Holy Ghost

2(a): Because they are not reading the Bible. The Bible says what it means and it means what is says. Our human intellect cannot comprehend the things of God. It takes faith to obey God!

2(b): They follow the flesh instead of seeking after God.

2(c): Satan leads we follow. We need the power of the Holy Ghost to over come the temptations of this world. Jesus over came Satan. There is no way we can overcome the power of Satan without the Holy Ghost.

2(e): He did tell us what he wants us to do. He told us in his word. I live according to his word!!!!! It seems to me that you are expecting far too much from lowly humanity. It is far harder to live as a Christian in this world than ever before. You seem to be forgetting one thing about the apostles. They were under a system that forbid them to teach and preach in the name of Jesus Christ ACTS 4: 18 we are not there yet Richard but we will be. When we are slaughtered for Jesus namesake then you will see the miracles of the apostle's day. Right now many true Christians are complacent and they don't really believe that there is a world conspiracy but God already told us the enemy will conspire against us. There will be an awakening; there will be a revival in Gods people. Stephen was stoned for what he believed.

2(f): If you have the Holy Ghost you'll know but you must choose to follow after the spirit. He is a gentleman.

3(a): They are oppressed by demon spirits

3(b): They had the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. It is still available for us today.

3(c): Jesus is always standing at the door of your heart and knocks we must listen, follow and obey!!!

4(a): The Bible is Gods word and it does not contradict itself.

4(b): God gave us free will. He wants us to choose him. Read Job!!

4(c): He started again with Noah remember. We just keep falling. That is why Jesus died for us our only true salvation. You need the Holy Ghost, you need to be baptised in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST ACTS 2: 38, 39

4(d): He was and is

5(e): The Bible says we are IN the world but not of this world. We must endure until the end, until he comes for us. We are to witness for him, we are to be for his Glory.    

7(a): My future is in the hands of the Lord. He told me to go out a teach his Gospel that is what we are to do. Nothing else. We have to earn a living; we are not to be materialistic. I am a witness for Jesus at my job. I have a purpose and I am living to please the Lord in all I do.

But should we share in a better system like the Apostles did which is explained at http://www.truechristianity.com/christian/salvationb.htm

The Apostles lived in the world and shared among themselves. The true church still lives that way. If I need anything from my brothers or sisters they will give it to me. I just had new carpet and flooring done, I hired my church family brothers to do it. I had a leaky pipe one time and my Assistant pastor came over and fixed it. The true church lives like the apostles did.

Now days so-called Christians are also charging each other money and not sharing with love. Do you know of any people living like at http://www.truechristianity.com/christian/salvationb.htm?

I just hired a brother from my church and he did work for me at cost. He worked very, very hard putting down carpet and wood flooring. I think he may have made $200.00 profit. That is nothing; he did this labour of love for me and my husband where it would have cost thousands out in the world!!!!!!!!

7(b): You will go to hell if you are not saved according to the plan of salvation outlined in the gospels which was then put into action by the apostles in the book of Acts. The book of acts teaches that the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ must be applied to your life. Which is death to your old patterns of self and sin; repentance is a turning away from sin towards God. Baptism in Jesus name is burial with Christ for the remission of sins. Receiving the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues is the resurrection of a new life in Christ with the overcoming power of the Holy Ghost which you have received.

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